Bitcoin
I think it's bullish, IDGAF 🤣
I'm sorry the other Hexbear users have been brigading this comm with their nonsense. The issue is that many people don't understand Bitcoin and just hate it to be trendy. I've bought a couple of Bitcoins and all I've seen is profit. It's like I'm Harry Potter stumbling into Gringotts bank and discovering there's this huge pile of wealth waiting for him. Although I've donated most of my earnings to Ukraine so they can defend themselves against the RuZZians (led by the dictator Putler), some of it has also gone into my Funko Pop collection, which I'm pretty proud of; I almost have the whole Deadpool line, and those are like an investment in themselves. I think if people gave Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies a chance they'd see that the "scam" stereotype is over-exaggerated. I've lost money once or twice, but I've learned from my mistakes and now I have my entire retirement fund in this new coin going around. Hope to meet fellow enthusiasts here!
I just found it really funny that the Bitcoin haters at /r/Buttcoin are talking up how banks are avoiding Bitcoin but the top comment confirming this admits there is massive client side demand from institutions and family offices... 
A surprisingly neutral take from IMF researchers on Bitcoin in a recent paper. A 43-page paper, [A Primer on Bitcoin Cross-Border Flows: Measurement and Drivers](https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WP/Issues/2024/04/05/A-Primer-on-Bitcoin-Cross-Border-Flows-Measurement-and-Drivers-547429) *Twitter user @Matt_Hougan [gives the following summary](https://twitter.com/Matt_Hougan/status/1782525236078100836):* Takeaway #1: Countries that have limited access to the broader global economy are big users of bitcoin on a relative basis. The paper notes: “The magnitudes of the estimated Bitcoin cross-border flows are sizeable with respect to several countries’ GDP, especially in those which experience relatively small capital flows.” This finding is repeated throughout the paper. It makes sense: People in countries facing either capital controls or limited access to the global economy are using bitcoin as a release valve. People have called bitcoin a tool for economic freedom. The data in this paper provides a proof point that it's being used exactly for that. Takeaway #2: The US is an extreme outlier in its low adoption of bitcoin vs. traditional capital flows. Our perspective, therefore, does not reflect everyone’s reality. As proof, the paper includes a great chart comparing cross-border bitcoin flows vs. flows into traditional investment products by GDP. (Note: The chart labels traditional flows “EPFR” because it gathers the data from EPFR Global.) You can see that the US has the most extreme reading in its dominance by traditional funds. On the other end of the spectrum are countries like Venezuela and Ukraine. Takeaway #3: The IMF is paying attention to bitcoin. This is a serious paper. It's written by three IMF researchers, includes a survey of relevant academic literature, and takes a sophisticated approach to using using on- and off-chain techniques to determine bitcoin capital flows. The IMF is doing this research because bitcoin "has grown rapidly over the past decade" and policymakers increasingly need to understand its impact on the global economy. Consider this piece from the conclusion: “These findings are in line with a recent body of work suggesting that Bitcoin facilitates the circumvention of capital flow restrictions (Graf von Luckner et al., 2024, 2023; Hu et al., 2021). As highlighted by IMF (2023a), policymakers aiming to manage capital flows should ensure that capital flow management regulations cover crypto assets.” They also note that rising bitcoin use is a "symptom" of imbalances in the traditional economy. The world is waking up to bitcoin.
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Smugglers melted and spray painted $10 million in gold to look like machine parts - but they got caught.
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But because [bitcoin is push-based](https://www.coincenter.org/education/crypto-regulation-faq/how-are-payments-with-bitcoin-different-than-credit-cards/), it's magnitudes more secure. ## Egalitarian If you have a bank account, then you probably take a lot of things for granted. Like buying things online (with a credit card). Or getting cash when traveling abroad (from an ATM machine). Or taking out a loan so you can start a business. Before crypto-currencies, it was very difficult to do these things unless you had a bank account. And in 2008 (the year with the first-ever bitcoin transaction), McKinsey & Company published a report concluding that [half of the world's adult population is unbanked](https://www.mckinsey.com/~/media/mckinsey/industries/public%20and%20social%20sector/our%20insights/half%20the%20world%20is%20unbanked/half-the-world-is-unbanked.pdf). But with crypto-currencies, anyone with access to the internet and a computer or smart phone can use bitcoin to send and receive money online -- without needing to first obtain a bank account. ## Environmentalism The energy required to facilitate transactions in decentralized, blockchain-based cryptocurrencies like bitcoin is minuscule by comparison. And, most importantly, the amount of energy used to solve the proof-of-work problem does not grow as the number of transactions-per-second grows. Traditional financial institutions require an enormous amount of overhead to facilitate transactions in their centralized networks. Unlike bitcoin, which was designed specifically to [eliminate the unnecessary overhead](https://www.buskill.in/bitcoin-black-friday-2023/#fees) created by a trusted third party, pre-cryptocurrency transactions required humans to verify transactions. These humans require office buildings. These office buildings require energy to build and maintain. 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The facts are that the energy usage of bitcoin is magnitudes less than the energy used by pre-cryptocurrency financial intuitions, that energy usage does not increase as the number of transactions processed by the network increases, and that mining bitcoin is often done with renewable energy. ## Low Fees The introduction to the [Bitcoin White Paper](https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf) (2008) clearly states that Bitcoin was created to reduce costs by using a distributed ledger (the blockchain) to eliminate the need for a trusted third party. > | "Commerce on the Internet has come to rely almost exclusively on financial institutions serving as trusted third parties to process electronic payments. While the system works well enough for most transactions, it still suffers from the inherent weaknesses of the trust based model. | | > |:---|:---| > | Completely non-reversible transactions are not really possible, since financial institutions cannot avoid mediating disputes. **The cost of mediation increases transaction costs**... | | > | These costs and payment uncertainties can be avoided in person by using physical currency, but no mechanism exists to make payments over a communications channel without a trusted party. | | > | What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust, allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted third party. Transactions that are computationally impractical to reverse would protect sellers from fraud, and routine escrow mechanisms could easily be implemented to protect buyers. In this paper, we propose a solution to the double-spending problem using a peer-to-peer distributed timestamp server to generate computational proof of the chronological order of transactions." | [](https://buskill.in/bitcoin-black-friday-2023/) | > | [source: Bitcoin Whitepaper](https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf) | Satoshi Nakamoto | At the time of writing, **the [average transaction fee](https://bitcoinfees.net/) for a bitcoin transaction is $0.06**. And unlike pre-cryptocurrency transactions, you can increase or decrease the fee that you pay to increase or decrease the time it takes for the transaction to complete (at $0.06, it will get added to the blockchain in **~1 hour**). By comparison, the way to send funds internationally through the Internet via pre-cryptocurrency banks is via an **[international wire transfer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wire_transfer)**. Fees very per bank, but [they typically charge **$15-$85 per transaction**](https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/banking/wire-transfers-what-banks-charge). And unlike bitcoin, wire transfers won't make move on nights and weekends, so they can take **1-7 days** to complete. Also, with bitcoin, that $0.06 transaction fee only applies when you're sending money. Many banks will *also* charge a fee for an incoming wire transfer. In bitcoin, there is no transaction fee to receive money. ## Anonymity Though early cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin don't ensure anonymity like newer privacy coins, [ZCash](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zcash) and [Monero](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monero) were designed specifically to provide private transactions. This allows our customers to purchase from us anonymously, which can be extremely important for activists and journalists whose lives are threatened by their adversaries. | [](https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/80774521350668288) | |:--:| | WikiLeaks started accepting donations in Bitcoin 7 months after PayPal froze their account | We accept both ZCash and Monero. If you'd like us to accept another privacy coin, please [contact us](https://buskill.in/contact) :) ## Censorship-Resistant Cryptocurrencies like bitcoin are peer-to-peer and permissionless. Transactions exchanging bitcoins occur directly between two parties. There is **no middle-man** that has the power to block, freeze, or reverse transactions. Before blockchains were used to maintain a public ledger and enable peer-to-peer transactions, we were dependent on big financial institutions to move money on our behalf through the internet. That antiquated system allowed them to censor transactions, such as donations made to media outlets reporting war crimes and donations to protest movements. > | "For me, that is one of the coolest things about bitcoin... | | > |:---|:---| > | People can potentially use it donate more anonymously to dissident groups and causes in a world where mass government surveillance threatens freedom of expression and certainly harms activists' ability to fundraise for their work, when people are afraid they could be targeted by a government for donating to a worthy cause." | [](https://buskill.in/bitcoin-black-friday-2023/) | > | [source](https://www.vice.com/en/article/jp5xxp/bitcoin-is-taking-on-black-friday) | Evan Greer | After [PayPal froze WikiLeaks's donation account](https://wikileaks.org/PayPal-freezes-WikiLeaks-donations.html) in 2010, WikiLeaks started [accepting bicoin](https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesdigitalcovers/2018/07/30/the-backsies-billionaire-texan-builds-second-fortune-from-wreckage-of-real-estate-empire-hed-sold/?sh=6f75c6883a72) in 2011. 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Since BTC appreciates yoy on average, I find people less willing to spend it. What would be a good enough discount compared to fiat for a service/good? 10%? 20%? 50%?
When did you really made a Bitcoin transaction the last time? Did you encounter any problems? Technically? High-Fees?
If you haven't already, consider subscribing to each of these communities: * [https://kbin.social/m/Bitcoin](https://kbin.social/m/Bitcoin) * [https://infosec.pub/c/bitcoin](https://infosec.pub/c/bitcoin) * [https://sh.itjust.works/c/bitcoin](https://sh.itjust.works/c/bitcoin) * [https://lemmy.world/c/bitcoin](https://lemmy.world/c/bitcoin) * [https://discuss.tchncs.de/c/bitcoin](https://discuss.tchncs.de/c/bitcoin) (I'm intentionally leaving off the one on the tankie instance) I recommend that we try to consolidate our activity to just one of the above. When posting, pick whichever community seems the most lively. Hopefully this way a clear winner will emerge and continue to grow.