If you want to convince Greens to vote for Democrats, it's useful to try to understand their priorities.

"between 0.97 to 2.7 trillion fish are caught from the wild and killed globally every year: This doesn’t include the billions of fish that are farmed" https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpellmanrowland/2017/07/24/seafood-sustainability-facts/

Speciesism, specifically factory farming, may be the worst thing humans have ever done - by several orders of magnitude: see Earthlings or Dominion (piped). While the Anthropocene extinction is bad, factory farming is like a Treblinka for animals.

To convince Greens or Carlins (people who don't vote because the Democrats are still too evil from their point-of-view) to vote for Democrats, you need to understand yourself and them. Once you do that, you'll be able to offer more convincing arguments to support your position.

If you're voting for Democrats, you possibly agree with the following scale of evilness:

• 10 Hitler
• 9 Stalin
• 8.5 Trump
• 8 Republicans and people who vote for them
• 7
• 6
• ~5-3 elected Democratic party members
• 2
• 1 you
• 0 Jesus

The thing is that some Greens see the world very differently:

• 10 people making the biosphere unlivable thru overpopulation
• 9 factory farmers and commercial fishing companies
• 8
• 7 Hitler, Stalin
• 6
• 5 George W. Bush, Putin
• 4 Trump, Republicans, and people who vote for them
• 3 Gore, Obama, Democrats, and people who vote for them
• 2
• 1 Sanders
• 0
• -1
• -2
• -3
• -4 Green party
• -5
• -6
• -7 them
• -8
• -9
• -10

The Greens' (and Carlins') priorities are very different. They may think that choosing to make the biosphere unlivable is the worst thing you can do, because without a biosphere that supports life, nothing else matters.

As he campaigned for president in 2020, Joe Biden made a bold promise at a New Hampshire town hall, adding repetition for emphasis: “No more drilling on federal lands. Period. Period. Period. Period.” […] The Biden administration has now outpaced the Trump administration in approving permits for drilling on public lands, and the United States is producing more oil than any country ever has. […] The reality is the United States is already dominant. The country is expected to produce 13.2 million barrels of oil per day on average this year — millions of barrels more than Saudi Arabia or Russia. https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/08/16/biden-oil-drilling-production/

They may think that torturing trillions of fish to death every year, and enslaving hundreds of billions of animals in torturous conditions every year, is worse than all genocides and wars in all of history combined. They think that voting for someone who enables even a single genocide is a line they won't cross.

They may think that given the choice between popular Hitler, popular Stalin, and unpopular Gandhi; they'd rather vote for Gandhi than the popular lesser evil, because that specific evil is omnicidally evil. That it's better to vote for good and fail, than it is to vote for evil and succeed.

As he campaigned for president in 2020, Joe Biden made a bold promise at a New Hampshire town hall, adding repetition for emphasis: “No more drilling on federal lands. Period. Period. Period. Period.” [...] The Biden administration has now outpaced the Trump administration in approving permits for drilling on public lands, and the United States is producing more oil than any country ever has. [...] The reality is the United States is already dominant. The country is expected to produce 13.2 million barrels of oil per day on average this year — millions of barrels more than Saudi Arabia or Russia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/08/16/biden-oil-drilling-production/

The Biden administration has now outpaced the Trump administration in approving permits for drilling on public lands, and the United States is producing more oil than any country ever has. [...] “If you were to show someone who came from Mars the line of U.S. oil and gas production over the last 15 years, they probably would not be able to tell whether a Republican or Democrat was in the White House,” said Jason Bordoff, founding director of the Center on Global Energy Policy at Columbia University. [...] The reality is the United States is already dominant. The country is expected to produce 13.2 million barrels of oil per day on average this year — millions of barrels more than Saudi Arabia or Russia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/08/16/biden-oil-drilling-production/

To convince Greens or Carlins (people who don't vote because the Democrats are still too evil from their point-of-view) to vote for Democrats, you need to understand yourself and them. Once you do that, you'll be able to offer more convincing arguments to support your position.

If you're voting for Democrats, you possibly agree with the following scale of evilness:

• 10 Hitler
• 9 Stalin
• 8.5 Trump
• 8 Republicans and people who vote for them
• 7
• 6
• ~5-3 elected Democratic party members
• 2
• 1 you
• 0 Jesus

The thing is that Greens and Carlins see the world very differently:

• 10 people making the biosphere unlivable thru overpopulation
• 9 factory farmers and commercial fishing companies
• 8
• 7 Hitler, Stalin
• 6
• 5 George W. Bush, Putin
• 4 Trump, Republicans, and people who vote for them
• 3 Gore, Obama, Democrats, and people who vote for them
• 2
• 1 Sanders
• 0
• -1
• -2
• -3
• -4
• -5
• -6
• -7 them
• -8
• -9
• -10

The Greens' and Carlins' priorities are very different. They may think that choosing to make the biosphere unlivable is the worst thing you can do, because without a biosphere that supports life, nothing else matters.

They may think that torturing trillions of fish to death every year, and enslaving hundreds of billions of animals in torturous conditions every year, is worse than all genocides and wars in all of history combined. They think that supporting even a single genocide is bad.

They may think that given the choice between popular Hitler, popular Stalin, and unpopular Gandhi; they'd rather vote for Gandhi than the popular lesser evil, because that specific evil is omnicidally evil. It's better to vote for good and fail, than it is to vote for evil and succeed.

produce their meats

Billions of individuals choose to eat animal products giving money to factory farmers and industrial fishing companies - 2 industries that cause more pain and suffering than all other atrocities ever committed in all of history, combined (1-3 trillion fish are tortured to death every year by fishing companies, and at least hundreds of billions of animals are enslaved in torturous conditions in factory-farms every year). I live in a 3rd world country, and went vegan almost 20 years ago. For the people causing most harm: those in rich countries, it's easier to be vegan.

For those who can't grow their own plant-food, there's still this: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/land-use-kcal-poore

Reducing emissions is a systems problem, it’s not about telling people to “be more green”

It's both: "No single raindrop believes it is to blame for the flood."

Corporations aren't causing a mass extinction just for shits and giggles, they're doing it because billions of individuals buy their products and services. If the billions of individuals stopped buying it, the corporations would stop making/offering it. The rich cause more harm in the short term, but even poor people having more kids despite the biosphere not being able to sustainably support even a fraction of the current population, are more omnicidal in the longer term.

It used to be mostly smoking; now it's mostly eating animal products and processed food, and poor sleeping. The advice given for decades is still valid: only whole-plant food and water, lots of exercise, and proper sleep.

Possible reasons listed in article:

• obesity,
• metabolic syndrome (abdominal obesity, high blood pressure, high blood sugar, high serum triglycerides, and low serum high-density lipoprotein),
• added sugar,
• processed food,
• ultra-processed foods,
• consistently high blood glucose,
• insulin resistance,
• change in sleep patterns (children sleeping less, shift work and artificial light),
• microplastics,
• antibiotics.

Millennials are not moving to the right as they age.

Biggest sources:

• 7.6 Mt from macro plastics breaking down
• 1.3 Mt from paint
• 1.0 Mt from tyres

10-40 Mt released into environment/year, and increasing.

Pearl jam is my favorite band also, and Riot act is probably also my favorite album of theirs.

If you like Pearl jam, I'd recommend my favorite album of all times: Soundgarden's Superunknown.

Some of my lesser-known, non-grunge favorites:

• "Hitomi ni utsuru keshiki" - Luminous, Mayuko
• "Strange fruit" - Nina Simone
• "Boulevard of broken dreams" - Maiya Sykes, Postmodern jukebox
• "Mr. Rattlebone" - Matt Maeson
• "Stubborn beast" - Bear's den
• "Blue eyes" - Springbok nude girls
• "Farsi prayer" - Lisbeth Scott
• "Hey ma durga" - Krishna Das, Baird Hersey, Prana
• "Bright morning stars" - The wailin' Jennys
• "Hymn 1, Axion esti" - Vassilis Tsabropoulos
• "La danse de mardi gras" - The Balfa brothers

Wouldn't it be better to go back a little further back in time, and give the weapons before the flogging and rapes?

And greed, well you gotta be wealthy in order to afford giving God a nice juicy tithe. Also gotta be self sufficient.

According to Luke 16:13 Jesus said “You cannot serve both God and money.”

Mark 10:21 “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

he also professed to be Christian

According to Luke 16:13 Jesus Christ said “You cannot serve both God and money.”

Mark 10:21 “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

A biosphere that becomes unlivable is an emergency. The biggest and root cause of catastrophic anthropogenic climate change is human overpopulation:

• https://phys.org/news/2023-04-population-growth-main-driver-carbon.html
• https://interactive.guim.co.uk/uploader/embed/2017/07/co2_saved/giv-3902H9Q7lx2HE5M7/

The fact that the biggest and root cause of a mass extinction event is being reduced is not an emergency, it's good.

We're already massively overpopulated: https://overshoot.footprintnetwork.org/

Human overpopulation is the root cause and biggest cause of catastrophic climate change:

• https://phys.org/news/2023-04-population-growth-main-driver-carbon.html
• https://interactive.guim.co.uk/uploader/embed/2017/07/co2_saved/giv-3902H9Q7lx2HE5M7/

Yes. We need a fertility rate of about 0.01 for several decades, because human overpopulation is the root cause and biggest cause of catastrophic climate change:

• https://phys.org/news/2023-04-population-growth-main-driver-carbon.html
• https://interactive.guim.co.uk/uploader/embed/2017/07/co2_saved/giv-3902H9Q7lx2HE5M7/

If we choose not to vote in parties to make such laws, we'll be culpable in letting the anthropocene extinction event become a mass-extinction event - wiping out more than 50% of genera and more than 70% of species. If you think too few honey bees are bad, imagine how catastrophic it would be for most living species to go extinct, including almost all the small life forms in the oceans which provide the majority of the biosphere's oxygen.

Human overpopulation is the biggest cause of anthropogenic climate change, and the root cause of almost all existential and major ethical problems facing us.

Becoming a biological parent while our fertility rate is catastrophically and unsustainably high, causes by far more CO2e pollution than anything else.

We shouldn't just tax these omnicidal people, we should vote in parties that'll make laws to jail or hang people making the world unlivable.

opossum is naturally immune to rabies

The CDC says they're not, they just rarely have rabies: https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/rabies/pdf/vs-0612-wildlife-rabies-h.pdf